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>> sean: and welcome to orthelcome to hannity. we are broadcasting live north of atlanta, georgia, where ingi, just a moment, we are going toin hear from the republican- th governor of florida, the democratic governor of the great state of california,a the first ever debate right here on the fox news channel. we will do our best to giveeq equal time to each governor, we will limitli answers to 60 s seconds.h a a 32nd time for rebuttal. let me start by introducing ron desantis, gavin newsom. thank you for being here. really appreciate it.ou i know p both of you personally. i know you are very busy. i know you love your individual

states. you have a love for your country as i do.ere where we are, we have never been of this divided in a long time. there are clear differences in yourprof approach to governanced before we begin, one quick note to all of you watching at home. i am the longest running prime time cable host.in i am in my 28th year at fox. i am a conservative. however, tonight i will be. moderating this debate. i will not be part of the debate. our questions will come from well sourced, fact centered perspectives and you will see the questionsof will deal with the most fundamental issues, the ones that impact the lives of the people that make this countryf great.fl the people in florida, in california, every state in the country. we will discuses, s taxes, the economy, immigration, education,

parental rights, gas prices. things that impact you every d day.t stlet's get started.ha t there is a phenomenon across c country. americans are leaving blue states in droves in favor of red states. these numbers california has lost residents of othe750,r sta. during that same two-year period, you gain 454,000 residents.

governor newsom, you won the coin toss and you chose to have governor desantis have the first word. you will have the last wordou tonight. i will ask what your responses this. it is a simple question. how do you explain this phenomenon? phenonwhat is going on. >> if i was in the navy, i got order to go to southern california and i was a lifelineo co floridian.was i went there and this was one of the most beautiful places on earth and california has more naturamorel advantages than any state. yomostu have to try to mess california. that is what gavin newsom haen h done. hevern is the first governor toe population. ut othey ran out of u-haul's in california because so many wereh leaving.re he has imposed restrictions on his people while exempting himself from those restrictions and going to the french laundry

while his people were sufferingd he led the country and schoolsc hoclosures, locking kids out of school while hrivae had his own in private school in person. he is good at spinning these tales, at being slick and b lislippery. he will tell lies to mask the failures but the reality is they have failed because of hisand leftist ideology. the choice fors america as this. what biden, harris, and newsome want to do is take the california model and this country must choose freedom over failure. >> it is good to be with you. b ite is nice to see you in a ti. good to be with you, ron. i am impressed and grateful. i it is an important occasion. it impors important folks watcht and they are probably wondering what we are doing here.

i will tell you why i am here. i am here to tell the truth about the biden-harris record and comparord e and contraste ron desantis' record andan the republican party's record as a point of contrast that is different as daylight and darkness. you want t back too bring us baa pre1960s world. you want to roll back hard-earned national rights ontq voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, not just access to abortion, but toep contraception. you want to weaponize grievance yofou are focusing on false separateness. you are on a banding bench, a cultural purge, intimidating and humiliating people you disagree with. you and trump are trying to light democracy on fire.rofo there are profound differencesc tonight and i look forward to engaging. there is one thing that we have in common.

neither of us will be the nominee for our party and 2024.g >> great openingov statement. you did not address the issue. can you explain this migrationir out of california and going toin red states. >> the last two years, more floridians going to california? >> that is going to be fun to fact-check. california has no peers. california dominates. it is the fifth largest economy in the world. we dominate. we dominate in two-way trade, research and development, more scientists , researchers, morestat nobel laureates than any other state in the nation. the highest system of higher education. we dominate green tech and high tech, artificial intelligence.nk iwith respect, it is angy

interesting campaign strategy to be bashing a state of 40 million americans when california simply hawents no peers. >> that is a slick way of nott answering your question.ge you put out a lot of left-wing g platitudes. i talked to people who have flori m california toal florida.y why would you leave california.t it has the h best weather. one of the things i did, i was talking to a gentleman. >> i am going to let the debate breathe. let's take turns. >> i was talking to a fellow wh made theto move and he was tellg me florida is better governed, safer, better budget, lower taxes and he is happy with the e quality of life and he said by the way, i am gavin newsom's father-in-law. w we do count his in-lawe s as soe of the people who have fled

and come to the state of florida. why are we getting people toyo come? we have a 50 year low in the crime rate. we have had a 45% decline in homelessness. we bac k the blue. i was walking the streets of san francisco and i had some oaf the cops do a beeline to come to me and i didn't know what they were going to say and they said i want to thank you for standint for law enforcement.forn we don't get that support. they understannderd florida is g it right and i can tell you the numbers speak for themselves.mo gavin cannotve say the opposite. more people are leaving california then moving. >> let's talk about crime. you said a lot of things wereu a factually untrue, which you said

should not be used. i asked you twice, you don't want to answer.io the issue why the migration out of blu,e states. >> more floridians come into california in the last two years. it is a fact. >> moving on. your states have vastly t income tax rates. e the facts.'s california, 13%. hydra married couple, in california, earning $84,000, they have a 6% income tax in california. florida's rate is 0% across all salaries. it goes beyond income taxes. property taxes are lower in. california. everything elshinge is higher. let's look at the numbers. the average property tax in california, sales-tax, california, 7.25%.

florida, 6%. gaths tax rate, 77 a gallon.ti it is up to $1 when you include mandatory fees and florida it is $0.35. corporate income tax, 8.84%. this is your question. y yoouu support a different philosophy, higher taxes. >> holighed on. d this is a different approach. i agree with you. he is one of the most aggressive tax rates. the number three most aggressive state in america. it means who does he tax? he taxes low income workers more than we tax millionaires and billionaires in the state of is california. who are you for? it is a factual lie that the is state of california high tax han the highest tax rate. hasbut for whom? it is a fundamental difference.

you look at texas, overwhelming majority of texans pay moree ta taxes than the state of california. it is who you are for. those values matter and i appreciate you bringing up the issues of taxes. >> g>> how many people leave fla to go to california because thee pay less taxes? they come to florida because they pay lower taxes. we don't have an income tax andn california has a higher sales-tax than we do. i will give gavin credit. he did admit, he is joined at the hi p with biden and harris.iden he thinks they have done a greai job. he thinkonoms the economy is wog and they are not. what california represents is the biden-harris agenda on steroids. they would love to get four mork years to take the california model nationally. that would be disastrous forwsom

working people.t wo >> they pay more in your statein than the state of california charges for billionaires and millionaires. >> you have $6 or $7 a gallon gas. you are going to force everybode tory buy an electric vehicle.ho how will thew y afford those? f the thing about california, they have one o of the highest inequality rates. they have silicon valley and wealthy people. a lot of people on government assistance but they have hollowed out their middle class. they go to arizona, nevada. biden is hollowing out. >> i have a follow-up question. let's talk about bidenomics. it is a fair point.ia >>te 14 million jobs, ten times more than the last three republicans combined.

>> the jobs were because of the cove is locked down.d are me? as he talks over me, i will talk to the american people. the lowest black unemployment in american history. the lowest unemployment for women in 70 years. the lowest black poverty rates in history. that is the agenda. as you smile and smirk over there, you should know this, here is a guy who is celebrating bidenomics this week, celebrating $28 million that came into your state because of the chips and science act.plan one of the most significant plans since fdr. i am of proud of the work theye done. >> the 6% rate on people, families, couples in california, they pay 6% income tax on $84,000. >> low-wage workers pay more.

>> he is spending lies to cover. >> california has lower taxes, lower than 32 states for working families in the middle class. significant lowemiddr taxes.n: d >> you support a 6% income tax. >> people in his state pay more taxes in the low and then we tax people on the high end. >> how does $7 a gallon for gas. help working people? how does paying an 8% sales tax help working people? they have the highest taxes in the nation.pe people flee to be able topo savn money to get out of californiato and you have people who moved to the states, their dollars go

further. they want to take this and they want to double dowthn on this fr the next four years.ex how many people art e able to afford groceries now compared to three or four years ago? >> i talked to a woman who had a car full of groceries and they are ringing it uanp and i got to be so expensive she ha up.d to e stuff out.t thatus didn't used to be the cak people use to work hard and get ahead. that is not true under joe joe biden. california's unemployment ratee is 60% higher than florida's. our unemployment rate is 2.8%. it is a command and control: it economy. they have a political agenda they are pursuing.k a >> it is important. that affects everybody. >> the biden administration, th- last three years. 3.9%. >> i thought this was state

versus state. >> this is about the united states ofof america. >> you will not admit it. r >>ig i am going to move onto the next question. the unemployment rate in florida right noridaw is just 2.8%. s california ranks seconecd worstn the country at 4.8%. this question goes to governor desantis. >> they taxed too much, regulate too much, they have a political agenda. f hy have lost a lot o companies. they have lost a lot of s to texas because they are not doing a good job looking out for folks and creating a gooden business environment. i have people who come tow, florida and they tell me you s to succeed in florida and they feel like whelin they e in california, they don't wantws

ombusiness to succeed. >> is that what disney is saying? >> i had disney opened during covid and we saved a lot of jobs. you had them closed for over a year. you are not following science.wg you are a lockdown governor. you did damage to your people.dl more kids locked out of school for a longer time in california than anywhere else in the w country. it was the middle income kids.co his kids were in private school, in class. he locks people out because of the teachers union. itcher will never cross the teat union.opreal >> let's talk about covid. you passed a declaration before the state of california did. you close your beaches, bars, b restaurants. you haeachesd quarantines, checs all over the state of florida. w i didn'tay say that.

donald trump laid you out onhe that. you followed f science. he followed science.ue. you followed -- you are promoting vaccines. you even wore a mask in september. if it is sea okay with you, why don't we do this where we can both have an opportunity. >> i am trying -- he did all of that until he decided to fall prey to the fringe of his party. as a consequence, tens of thousands of people lost their lives. the equivalent, if i had your policies, ten 9/11's. and for what?>> >> those are lies. the lancet did a study.er florida had a lower standardized covid deat h rate.on "one more thing," the e other

thing we had, california had higher exces hs mortality. let me talk about the excess mortality.ys. it is other things. >> i want everyone to be heard. i want this to breathe. i want it to organicallyo develop.th i need both your cooperation. i don't want to be a hall monitor. you mentioned covid. let me g.o to covid. i plan to bring this up later,en but you took differentes a approaches as it comes to covide you issued the first stay-at-home order on march 19tt 2020. governor desantis, you tooook k heat for reopening schools inch florida inoo august 2020. here is the data.ta this is where the factnts come . your state's death rates almost identical. >> factually untrue.n: o >> both of your states, with

different approaches were both lower significantly lower thany the national average.mb these numbers comeer from the c. how do you explain that? >> per capita death rates in the state of florida were 29%. they were 29% per capita higher. >> tens of gov thousands of peo. >> heople put the graphic up th. don'e.t lie about it. >> you were a lockdown governor. >> and he is running away from his record, running away from tensthe facts. 29% hired death rate versus the state of california. >> the stats are very clear.or

california andid florida basicay the same. why is thaist important? gavin newsom did damage to people in california.pe he ruined livelihoods. we reopen the statned e and savd thousands of jobs. thousands of businesses.sc we had our kids in school. gen that is having a generational i impact. california the is one of the lot literacyn th rates in the count. florida came in number three., facalifornia was behind.houl you should apologize for not getting your kid s in school. i why didn't youn get the kids in school and 2020 like we did? you didn't do the job you shoulu have done. >>have one at a time. quick answer. >> ron desantis for the tens of thousands of lives that died unnecessarily. >> and finish your thought.

>>a when it comes to the issuee schools, bs e careful. you had more losses than the state ofit california. here economy attracted more inov 2020er.a morein to come on this topic. >> more to come on this debate.h >> next segment, ie guess. >> we have a lot to get to. a l many important topics includingn one issue where you might find agreement as we continue the blue state red state debate. we are lies. thank you for being with i us. n. ♪ ♪ -- we are lies look. thank you for being with us.

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to hannity. n we continue our blue state andat red state debate. let's move on to the issue of borden's. joe biden's message to immigrants during his campaign was let them come.si since taking office, he has said he has gotten control of thedent border.n- kamala harris, thepierre press secretary have all said the border is secure or the border is closed. the border patrol says they have been a record 6.5 encounters with illegal immigrants since president biden took office. the administration says they don't know how many are in the countryy illegally.

>> i believe it is your turn, have the american people on the issue of borders, they aree bosaying the border is secure, closed, those are the numbershe from the border patrol. are the people being lied to?: >> the administration put out a comprehensive plan day one when he got sworn into office and the republican party did not touchru it. they play politics with us. there is probably one person iet would not listen to on this topic more than the guy i am standing next to, ron desantis. n.when he was in congress, he supported amnesty. when he was in congress, he supported the bill.fals you supported obama's efforts. >> false. >> the last guy you want to talt to on immigration.ion

your policy can be described as m tha governor from the state of floridloria going into another state, the state of texas, lying to migrants, promising them jobs and housing and sending them tof an island and then sending them to a parking lot in sacramento, california. i met with the migrants you lied to. that gamesmanship, using human beings as ponds is disqualifying. a guy who stands here, who haseb been on the debate stageat sayig he is going to be tough and shoot people with backpacks, that he has a strategy to invade our second-largest training partner, mexico, who has a record of supporting amnesty and reforms under thortie obamae administrationsk, he is the last guy standing on stage talking about immigration reform.ig >> it is deja vuht with that flurry of lies.gu

this guy says they are not lyino to the public about the border. they go to the white house briefing room every day and say it is secure. they are lying t areo you. we know that is not true.ehow gavin newsom is lying when he says i've supported thesehe things i, which i did not do. g he is lyinoig about what it is going to take to solve these problems. california is a sanctuary staten there was an illegal alien who wa s in l.a., in custody, a repeat terminal. ice wanted to take him to custody to deport him. l.a. refuses to work with them. they ended up releasing him on the street. he ends up murdering the mother of a 3-year-ol motd girl.es those policies are deadly. they d areo not work.e the martha's vineyarmad transpo,

they said they were a sanctuary jurisdiction. whends me of gavin newsom he restricted -- they want to not have to face the consequences of their actions. the minute they have to deal with thef th consequences, all h breaks loose. >> we are moving to the next question. on the sam we are topic, this is important. some migrants want to come tofo america for a better life for t themselves and their family, find thehe american dream, i sympathize. many good people fleeing badbr oasituations. others are abusing the process and in the process, in search of where they are coming from, we are learning many are comingm so from some of our top geopolitical flows. they are not being vetted.

look at these numbers between october 202, border agents encountered 6,386 nationals from afghanistan. 3,153 from egypt. 659 from iran. 538 from syria. 12,605 from russia and 26,113 from china.th e the next question goes to you. what are the odds that biden's open borders have allowed terrorists and terror cells unvented into thisvent country?t is that a clear and present danger to every american. >> of course our enemies willg o take advantage of this. he opened the border. he is knowingly having 8 million come in and yes, there are

criminal aliens, terrorists, we have had tens of thousands of sentinel deaths. i have met a lot of angel parents who have lost kids to overdoserdos and the problem isu have a college kid that may take a pill not knowing there is sentinel in it and that could be fatal. ur they are poisoning our people. joe biden is sitting on n his hands and refuses to take care of the border. he refuses to hold drug cartels accountable. this is the vision of biden, harris, newsome.cont open borders, americans suffer.. there will be a terrorist attack at some point that we will be able to trace back to our southern border.m? >> do you see the risk? >> he consistently puts up plans -- >> is there a risk? >> i think the asylum system is

broken.the i am the only guy that is a border state governor.are you are trying to find migrants to a play political games. how is it going for you? 41 points down in your own home state on the issue of immigration, joe biden put a $14 billion immigration package up in front of congress. 2300 border agents, 1,000 new law enforcement officers. that is yoa major issue in your state.ra 41% higher thaten the state of .alifornia i haven't heard a peep fromis ron desantis.ey w they want to play politics.th you don't want to solve thisis issue. lead your party and support t that. governor newsom, i appreciate your answer. you have mentioned comprehensive immigration reform.

>> you put republicans in congress and refused to act on it. >> with all of these millions of people coming into this country unvented, the question was, is this a clear and present danger from the countries i've put up on the screen? do you do in the interim? >> that is why the president of the united states put a package inat i front of congress they cn act on.n they haven't done anything. >> do you support a border wall? >> i support the package the president has put forward. it also includes $850 million in new technology for border security. you hearyou he nothing from ron desantis or the republican party. they play politics. >>liti i am almost out of time before the break.k >>th does it worry you our top

geopolitical flows, the number one state sponsor ofical terror, iran, china, russia, afghanistan, syria, that they are at our southern border. does that concer than you?over >> yes. w why else would iou have increasd the national guard by 50% on the largest port in the western hemisphere in my state? this guy has no -- the fact you supported amnesty, obama reforms, those are facts. >> that is a lie. i don't mind him lying to me.nd i do mind him lying to you. he is saying joe biden is willing to solve this problem. is there anybody out there that believes this? hebi created this problem. if he is willing to lie to you about that, he is lying about

all of these otherfigu facts and figures, throwing stuff out to. see what sticks against the w wall. his state is failing, people are leaving and he is trying to run interference. >> we have to take our second break. we b have a lot more ground to cover. a quic k break. more with governor desantis and newsom.t blwe continue from alpharetta, georgia. thank you for being with us.

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>> welcome back to the great blue state red state debate. ron thank you for being here. we are going to take a littlebra breathing room.is i don't mind the debate taking a life of ittas own, but let each other breathe. i don't wantwant to be the halle monitor. please don't turn me into that. crime. violent crime, nationally for each of your states, the is statistic shows what is the combined rate of homicide,, robbery, aggravated assault.on on the national level, it was 380.7 offenses per 100,000 people. in california, it was higher. 499.5 offenses per hundred thousand. in florida, lower.art let me start with you.y your numbers are higher than the national average. how do you explain that when safety and security i would

argue is a prerequisite for the pursuiquist of happiness. >> we are down 55% in the state of california from90 the 1990s. i want to contrast that with the issue in florida and that is the rate. the issue is, -- seven of the top ten murder rates are red states. he has a 66% higher gun death rate than the state of california. he has a higher murderrate rate. go to jacksonville, orlando, tampa. the murder rates are off the charts compared to cities like san francisco.thin the american people deserve an answer from you. you have one of the worst mass shootings, parkland. 17 kids were gunney,d down, livs lost.ha yod u had a young girl by the ne of jamie, whose father pleaded

with you to do something about itit.. you did the opposite. yoyou made it easier for felonso get guns without background checks, without any training. thes.e people pleaded with you o get tough on gun safety and youm made it easier for felons. he said and i agree, after you signed that concealed carry bill, which increases the - likelihood of more jamie is m losing their lives and more parkland's, he called you weak, pathetic, and small. with respect, i appreciate youef talking to california police offers but you may want to spend more time not on the ohio trail but maybe in your home state and address the murder and gun violence in your own backyard. >>kyar you put up the rates.. he has 500 per hundred thousands florida is 250.wi that is almost twice aces much d he is trying to spend that to

say california is good. people are leaving california because public safety has m collapseead. one thing they will say, they can go to the store, get toothpaste off-the-shelf, pay for itshel and leave.in ing california, everything isse under lock and key because they legalize retail theft. they put the interest of the criminals over publi pubc safet. they are easier on sex offenders. they are easier on all these crimes that are leading to ad collapse in the quality of lifec if you walk around san francisco, you will see. gavin newsom was mayor ofok tsan francisco. he took the model and turned it into a template for california's collapseno and now they want to take the california model and use it as the template for america's collapse.

>> the next question dovetails into this. >> what are you talking about? i know you like to jabber. i know you like to live. he put the statistics up there.s your crime: is higher. >> i am going to move on. according to the gun-control advocacy group, every town forci gun safety, california has the most restrictive gun laws in the united states. florida has the 19th mostyet restrictive. california has had 21

mass shootings. florida has had nine. that is according to "usa today," northeastern university database. a mass killing is defined as the intentional killing of four or more victims, excluding the deaths of unbornicti children ad the offenders within a 24-hour period of time.is >> california wants to make it harder for law-abiding citizens tozens defend themselves and tho easy on the criminals who are perpetrating the crime. they don't stand up for the men and women ofdo law enforcement. gavin told another lie. he said we made it easier for felons to do. felons are not allowed to possess firearms.

that is just a lie. people are leaving california iu droves because he has failed to stand up for public safety.og icthey are on a joy ride to let people out of prison early. when i was in southern california for the reagan debate, l theot women say they have to take off theiran jewelry to be able td o go are shopping because otherwise they will getto mugged.e fa that is the reality they are ia.facing in california. he has failed the people of california. >>he i love this guy talking abt backing the blue when you wanted to pardon people who werew charged with attacking law enforcement. with all dueue r respect, he isa

answering the fact hcte has aure higher murder rate than the state of california.d i can answer this. guann safety saves lives. california does lead in terms of common sense gun safety. you had the chance to do something meaningful and on behalf of the families. you moved in the opposite direction. look at yourn. own backyard.. >> we had two radical left who were endangering the public and i removed them from their posts. gavin newsom has not lifted a finger to rein in gas cone. he is not enforcing the law. >> this is what is happening.

>> 15 seconds, we have to go to break. >>o you are talking down the great state ofg fo california, u are doing it because you are trying to obfuscate the fact that you have a higher murderrae rate in the state of florida and the state of california. >> we will have more with governor desantis. blue versus red. there are hardly any differences. a lot of ground tound to c cove. thank you for joining us on hannity. for joining us on us on "hannity." ♪ ♪ news alert. i'm jackie ibanez in new york. a major setback in efforts to stop the violence in the middle east. a temporary truce in the israel-hamas war has now expired. the deadline passed at midnight eastern time. and there's no immediate word from mediator qatar of another

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wel>> welcome back.the the great red state blue state debate. we continue with ron desantisstt and governor newsom. let's turn to the issue of parental rights. governor desantis, you signed the parental rights in education bill and it says, classroom t instructiohin by school personnl or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten thr through grade e or a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriat e foran dastudents and according to stae standards. critics have called this almost foul. shouldn't all grades focus on reading, riding,re math, scienc?

they might have different values. to the parents, to religiousstit institutions. or is its it the role of the sc? >> the role of the school is to educate kids, not totrin indoctrinate kids. it is to do the basics and what went i have said in florida is s inappropriate to tell at is kindergartner that their gender is a choice, tel l a second wrgrader they may have been born in the wrong body. california hasecte that. we don't think it is appropriate. i know most parents do not think s appropriate. it is important to respect s to know whater curriculum is beinytg used in t soclassroom and everything shoud be age-appropriate.ha this it s a book in some of the schools in california.

some of it is blacked out. this is, cartoons, aimed at. ken >> also when people like on the left say that somehow you're banning books by removing this from a young kids classroomg . no this is not age appropriate. and so we're going to stand for the rights of parents. i think we need to do that nationwide. i don't think you can have a situatioi think n where some s trample on the rights of parents. parents have a fundamental thina si right to direct the education and upbringing of their kids. >> by the way, you've been on a o: you haburning bed. 1406 books have been bannedunde just last year under ron desantis leadership. i love that he keeps pulling desaf leader keeps out.the i've seen this. he's been doing this all of the campaign tour. what's wrong with toni morrison'sca books?oni it's not banned. what's wrong? it's not true. what's wrong with amanda gorman's books?what is amand n. 1400 narratives, 1006 book in there have been bannedn bann on your banning bench in theed state of florida as it relates to parental rights.

come on..rnia california. in our constitution, parental engagement, . it's called the lcf process. we actually require parentalm de engagement on curriculum development, and we don't complete lie. vewe we don't require k through third grade education. that doesn't happen till middle school. what? you're doing is using education as a sword foras your cultural a purge. and you know what? with all due respect, you know, i rememberpect, yo in the 1970se 1970s, we had a bill called the briggs initiative, and there was a guy by the name of ronald reagan so offended by the briggs initiative, whichn was the original don't say bill. in that case, it was not allowing teachert say gathat had to be to teach. and reagan had the courage to stand up and he said, you can't catch like you can measles. i don't like the way you demeano people. i don't like the way you demean the lgbtn'q community. i don't like the way you demean and humiliate people you disagree with. t likeron. i really find this fundamentally offensive, and this is a core value that distinguishes the values of my state and franklf aty, the vast majority of americans against the weaponization

of education. >> and the reason i have a follow up question for you, though. and by the way, first, governor. ye, yes or no, is are the book banning issues? is that not a state issue? >> is that a state issue or a local issue? local. and he's okay. . ernor ntis: lont to know home book wasn't. that was the question i have. some's the questiotion thai havr you. >> governor newsom. some of the book of the re talks you're talking about, one is called the governor just brought it up. it's calleed id genderqueer, a memoir explicit book showin sex acts, another flame,," her graphic book about young boys performin showig sex acts at summer camp. this book is , a book containingg se instructions on the ins and outs of sexuality. let me finish. let's talk about it. a book that contains graphic a descriptions about how to for males and females. my question to you, governor newsom, those books, do you believe that's appropriate for school districts to teach kids? >> yes or no? come on. those aren't notes?.

that part of the curriculum, they're not teaching those that that would those are books that were in. hold on. hold on. the bottom line is you are in >> gom: the banning binge your state. 1406 books, 3362 in thist country and answer board is about those boys. >> that's not we don't provideoo for r k through third gradeion,t education, that kind of curriculum. it's jushat made up. .> these guys make it up it's part of this cultural purge. should have just rage and the grade would have been what i find. >> but what i find offensive. n shawn and ron, what i find ver offensive is the a very sit number of thesebe books happen to be lgbtq books, a significant number of theseri- books taking on african-americans. do you thinkam it's.ou >> honestly, i don't think it's we don't preach that. >> g don't that we have sex education in middle schools, in high schools where it's appropriate. this is a ginned up, made up issue to divide this countrys .. you talk about dividing this country. this is part of the culture war, the weaponization of ththis of grievance. this is part using education. we're focusing on mathrt usingos

science. >> we're focusing on reimagining our school. we're going to get to educatioin ,criminalizing teachers and criminalizing like, sa y, >> gov the wrong schools to impose th, socialagenda justice. they have this ethnic studies where they're dividing people. that's they ar what they do. but let me just say something about parents rights, because he says california respects parents rightshe says . he this is rich. he's been telling a lot of whoppers tonight. this may be the bigges has beet in california. pareou're a parent in iowa or new hampshire, south carolinaur in your minor child can go to california without your knowledge or without your consent o and get hormone therapy. >> puberty blockers in a sex changey bloc operation,ge all without you knowing or consenting how in the heck is that? >> you know, honoring parents rights when you're bringingte people from out of state to go around their parents backs and getting life altering surgeries? >> that is radical. you know, ronald reagan's kid, that is a small time parents,ato

right? >> you know what, ron? you did decide, you know what parents to deciden? : it is to, th you know, and the parents do not their kid by going to thesn: . let me ask you to follow up.to let me let me stay on thea i follow up. let' educas turn to the issue of education and see and humanity and grace. one of takings ripping somebody. gentlemen, gentlemen, please. >> gic sowe know nobody. nobody can hear you. that is the wrong. that is. s that is what i'll tell you.tu i all right. not in this country. let us turn, gentlemen, if i may, to the issue of education here is public school spending per k-through-12 students. according to the education data initiative from the u.s. censuse bureau and national center for education, florida spends nearly $12,000 per student while california'sy spends over $16,000. florida is ranked number one by u.s. news and world report in terms of state educationn and rankings. california ranks 20th. governor newsogs, calim. what is your explanation? you spend more money and they

have better results in florida. >> why? told you what i'm doing why?n. ic educatio flori we created a brand new grade pre-k for all. we're doing afterschool and summer gra school for all. we're reimagining the school day, not just the school year.re wed just provided 3.4 million of our students, upwards of $2 billion for child savings accounts and the opportunity to start businesses when they graduate. hen theywe have one of the bests under covid during covid. and again, you didn't answer to the fact you had more learnine leg loss ron desas had more learning loss duringde covid fourth grade reading, fourth grade math, eighth grade ourth grereading, eighth grade . we outperformed you in and it'sy a factou during covid in everyoo one of those categories. i'm i can't waitse to get all te politifact's tonight because, ryan, you keep denying some basicu keepic fundamental , on health, wealth and education. we outperformed you during covid. you talk about things lked abo. re you should apologize for your covid record. you are with fauci. wityou aligned with vaccines.

you align with cdc guidelines until you didn't in tens of thousands of actions. >> let's return our focus to educations --r . well, we will reopen the schools. we bucked all of those governort people june of 2020. he kept the schools closed for a long time. ols clos aand that had devastatg impacts. and why what gavin newsom does in california is kowtow to the teacher's union. s kowhatever they tell him to dl he does. he will never bought back the teachers union. f sc that's why the kids were locked out of school for so long. joe bider son is in the pocket of the teachers union and so is kamala harris. that's why they have not been able. whereas when he came in there >> gtnve y have run its course, biden came into office and he vice the t president to you and be able to do all these different things to tro aly to t the schools closed. so the democratic party, the fay, farr left in this coun, they are owned lock, stock and barrel by the teachers uniothn. i beat the teachers union in florida to get the schoolsn opened first in the country during covid, also to do universal schooldu choice.ha every parent in florida has

a right to send their kid to the schoo l of their choice.ning we're winning these fights. california is bending the needs of the union because they control the policy. >> let's move on to a topiolitic that will seemingly play a very large role in the futurea ve elections, and that's the issue of abortion. i have a question for bothe abor of you. i'll ask you. so please respectplease rthe individual's right to answer uninterrupted. and that is governor desantier unintes. i think it's actually your turn, governor newsom, if you don't mindvernorou. ionals >> oh, good. most medical professionals believe a baby is viablee outside of a mother'ofs by between 24 and 26 weeks. that is the general scientific thatl scients. it changes. there are some variations on it. abortion is legal in youongar se up to viability. it's my understanding. s healthhe mother' is in danger. i'd like to ge it you onllin the record. you've been unwilling to answer this question. todo you?ld should there be any restrictions on the issuehat yo

of abortion that you supportu in at all? because funding in california, you have allocated in your budget 265 million for abortion bu year alone? my question, very specific. do you support ver any restricto at all on abortion, especially amonrtg seven, eight and nine? >> past viability? i mean, to answener that question, but let's talk about the issue of abortion. let's talk about the issue. i'm going to answer it.overno i'm going to answer that question. i'll repeat that. but i think thisr answer the que is important and it bears repeating. ron desantis signed the most extreme anti-abortion bills in america. exthe signed a bill banning any exceptions for rape and incest. and then he said it didn't go far enough and decided to sign a six week ban before women even thought. they're pregnant, run before women can even access actor's doctor's appointment. so extreme. is your ban that criminalizes t women and criminalizeshat

doctor that even donald trump said it was too extreme on the issue of the extreme exception that you highlightextm as it relates to the issue of later term abortion, it's almost always because of aanom fetal anomaly, the life of the mother. e and in those rare cases, i trust and answer n, i trustecision. the mother and her doctor to make that decision. >> so in other words, i want e clear on this. and h ifer a woman and her doctor for any reason up for any reason,ero i'm asking really rare, should thisr neextremel is a can i knoi you guys are going? sean, you're even amazing with this whole issuine. >> and i watch your this is where you guys have a mask to cover foro go george karine jean-pierre bush. an agenda of ronda. >>ould there. be support? would you support a bana on abortioban in seven, eighth ninth month? if the law says if the mother'sn life is not in jeopardy, dream extreme exception. >> people aren't going on and having abortion. should it be illegal? there's something that'sd it bee in this house.

should it be up to the rmothe and her doctor and her conscious and it all? >> the answer is no restriction. i've alreadyand he answered it>r and i'll strictly enforce it to cover up agaiy n. have hold on. a s for the most extreme abortion ban in country, i have a simple question, though. this i is important. no, no, no. n i'm asking the ron desantis, will you or will you not siggn a six week ban in the unlikelyof states? let's talk about national let's talk about your state for that iate,s you had you had 15 weeks of question. you had a 15 week rule and inyoe californiadu you reduced it to six. my question is this what was your thinking behind it? waswas it for religious reason ? was it for scientific reasons? what was the reason forr you from going from 15 weeks to six weeks? >> well, i believe in a culture >>e. te i think we're better off when everybody counts, when everybody has an opportunity to dne haso well. and that bill attaches when there'l s a detectable heartbeat for the child. and some states have done that,

some states have done other, tome states have done later, and obviously they have a right to do that. but i thin. i think k about one of our floridians, a lady named penny hopper. she actually survived the late term abortion back in the day. theand they left her on the on the table there. so basically the wither away. her grandmother came, saved her and brought her to it,brou brought her to a hospital, but her saved her and shghavede up living living a good life. so she counts and she matters. shand i think that what the position that we have from t the modernhe left, including in california, is that they will take your tax dollarse and they will fund abortion all the way to the moment of birth. to the mhe's wrong when he says the later terms are all becausen of this 88% pass. 15 weeks are in fact, elective from from the florida data. he doesn't keep data there. datat give d extreme to take your tax dollars and to do this all the way up to the moment of birth. he didn't answer your question

about any type of protections at all for a baby that hasee a beating heart, that can feel pain, that is viable. >> let me all but hold on, respectfully. >> this is an important conversationis is an. nor de will you or will you notsa support any assertion? >>r will youdo you o not support why it is a national ban? why aren't you on your desk?land you couldn't answer that in any other kind. okay, gentlemen, it's just going on by the next issue. >> no show. i'm not an expert. gave iss america. shoul people should know this. i'll answer it for ron desantis can't answer it. hean'tl sign that extreme. okay, let me move on.term o the americanf people should knt that i'm calling this the lightning round. it'd be great if you guys cooperated. ha >> s i will i'm not a potted pl. good. and i want to ask you, we all know that federal policy does have a huge impact on states. we know that. i'm going to ask you three simple questions, and i justm want one word answer from three, because our best comingcg up on a break. and the issue is right now, ujoe biden is president. >> so i would like both of you to give a grade to joe

biden overall as president, governor, say, and a absolutely masterful and a failure.is >> okay. now, that's your now? number two. are his policies helping or mber twol states?vidua >> does it help in the state of florida? inflation is hurting our state big time. >> the grade failed. he failed. he's failed. . the guy just doesn't help in the state of california. science and in tech act. thank you, joe biden. it's absolutely accelerating our dominance in manufacturing, accelerating our revitalize. that was a simple answer, unequivocally. >> lastly, yes. okay. a simpi will ask you,ave governor desantis, i have played over and over againplaye and governor newsom, you have seen over and over again joe biden is experience. what i believe to be significant cognitive decline. h and in other words, it's the toughest job in the world. is joe biden experiencing this cognitive decline?

is it a danger to the country? do you finngd whener to he spe >> what is your reaction to it? yes, he's in decline. ange yes, it's a danger to the country. he has no business running for president. coun and, you know, gavin newsomwith agrees with that. he won't say that, but that's why he's running his shado w campaign. he should not be running. he is no campaigt up to the job >> and it is dangerous for this country. well, i'll take i will takejoe i joe biden in 100 versus ron desantis any dayde of the week at any age. in fact, all of you think agee job. e can tak do you think he's 100% been spending your time with your goo in private? let him answer. you don't know, by the way, resultwsom: by,s matter. inflation now is down to 3.2%. wages are up to 4.4%. the economy is booming, 5.2%n t gdp growth in the last quarter. there's a facts you don't hearla on fox news. 14 million jobs. let me mov millione on. that was the lightning round was out on march 31st,t, 1968. president lyndon johnson famously said, i shall not seek

and i will not accept the nomination of my party for of president.,s your now, despite being an incumbent president who is eligible to run for ent who reelection, governor newsom, i have interviewed you twice on this issu, i haewed youe. you say you are not running for president in 2024. in fac 2t, you recently said, quote, you think that vice president harris is naturally the one lined up to run for president. if joe biden wers the to bow ouo governor newsom, tonight, i ask you, will yo u make an lbj like statement? and governor desantis, you say he's running a shadow campaign. in your responsein. >> i would like you to answer that. will you say unequivocally under noreally sayi circumstancu running? >> right. i don't know how many times i can say justnewsom: making ts stuff up about a shadow campaign if i'm lying, if, as the dncout convention, they come and ask you, will you run? what were you saying? oh, biden will be our nomine gon ein in a matter of weeks. and in a matter of weeks, sean, he'l weeks, seanl be endorsing d trump as a nominee for the republican partye endo. o yo

if they come to you at the dncd and joe is incapable of running and they aske is you, are you a hard no. >> and it's not even it's not even optional. he's doing fantastically>> govet i mean, i appreciate and respect the work the president's doing and the vice president's is camp the biden-harris campaign and team. so absolutely, unequivocallyai, vice president harris would be continuing to support their effortbexts. >> president biden will be reelected. donald trump. reject trump. what i think what he's saying should color every single thing. i mean, i've called them on ca lot of the lies. but he says joe biden is 100% up to the job. the you know that that's not trl anybody that can look, he wants you to believe himoos over your own lying eyes when he says the economy is so great ,how great is it when you're going to the grocery store now? how t is it when you're trying to afford a home? how are those interest rates doine ratesg? what about affording a new car? so we have to get real here. we have to understand that that biden is not a job. but here's the here's i think the proble here is pm, what bidd do, the people around him, they would look to california dor the model to go forwar

in the next four yearsthat that would accelerate the decline of this countr wera freedom is what works. the failures need to b e left instbin. the dustbin of history to tell the tale. >> tell freedom to women that you're trying to criminalize in your state. and all right, we're we're antreating to ole are crd yearsn of freedom. gentlemen, it is not a state d gentlemenewsom: of freedom. rm one of the things i want to accomplish here is the policies that you both implement have. t a great have impact on the citizens of your individual states. fothn thr years, a gallonasolin of gasoline. governor newsom in california hae, n calis been notably higher in state thanst in the statembers. of florida. that's right. here are the numbers, by the way. recent numbers, the averageaverg cost for a gallon of gas nationwide, juste costfus over 3 in $0.24. in florida, $3.17 in california, it is a whopping $4.85. so governor newsom, i ask you, you've also sued big oil companies alleging executive ois have deceived the public

about the health of our planet, knowing that it's a polluter. if your lawsuit is successful,d that would likely mean higher gas prices, even higher gas pricesli for everybody. here's my question, though. could you name right nowstion. one source of energy that you can bring online in the next 3 to 6 months that would be asoe inexpensive for the people thl>> govountry as fossi fuels? >> well, let me let me leter mn touch. >> sean:k of thathin and let me touch on that. >> i'm going to get to your question and then let me touch the latterom: i'm tion. part ofr question. i think the first part of the question. you're absolutely right. since the 1980s, republican administrations, ad restrins havestrations experienced under their stewardship experiencecalo higher gas prices in the statern of california. we've been ripped off by big oid ofl. we continue to be ripped off by big oil. big oil now has met a new foe, and that's the state of california, the most aggressive anti gouginthe mostgw in america. more transparency being required than any timed

in america. and yes, we're suing we'ree ar suing the industry responsiblebl for this climate crisis. by the way, the samethis climate crisis that ron desantis celebrated c as human human caused. who campaigned a fracking ban, who campaigned to oppose offshore oil drilling. h >> and then two days after he got elected to sign an executive order, by the way, nikki haley and your dad to write on this. ron signed an executive order doubling down, saying you're adamantly opposed to fracking, adamantly opposed to offshore oil drilling. you were celebrated by the sierra club for that action until you weren't. it s again, it shows the hypocrisy of ron desantihosa now you're running away from climate change. as things have gotten worse, go, wildfires, droughtsan and floods. d floo$179 billion of weather weighted related disasters.f we and he has no responseat except. talking points from big oil. >> governor news. that was that was that was>> got

governor. again, just just more lies. but here's the thing. .he thing california's the only onee goug that oil companies are gouging. >> why aren't they doing that tino george, our florida, these other states that have lower gas prices because of their policies. that's whyits beir people are paying more there. those gavin newsom wants to dore what he'.s doing in california. >> what biden wants to do nationally is government dictat e green energy policies. they want to kneecap fossil fuels and reliable energy. we've already seen what's happened in californiawe havt i >> they have rolling blackouts. he actually implemented a mandat e to buy to buy electric vehicles. so pretty soon in californiauy, you're not going to be ablely to buy a normal car, only electric vehicles. and they celebrateric vehi and . that's like a great thing. a couple days later, there was a notice from the stat e ste government telling all ev owners, do not plug in your eved because they don't have enough grid capacity. so he is walkingt his people into a big time disaster. what biden wants to do is he wants to taks hee the californio model. he wants to impose that nationally. he wants to takese t nati away your ability to purchase the car that you want. he wants to kneecar th

p reliableener energy and he wants to bring these rolling blackoutgy hs all across the united states of america. it doesn't work. it's goingfa. to cause huge problems. >> we have more energy here. we can be thwe have dominant en- power currently, not in florida. >> and that's what we're going to tal>> governor newsk in. there's also a lot of big energy. we have the marcellus shale, we have the west, texas, we have all of that. so let's do that. talk, you know, for sale,es. the electric vehicle. >> we got to take a break. american automobile. when we come back, we'll continue the great state, red state,will blue state debat. more with governor ron desantis, more governor gavin newsome.rnor ron as we continuen thank you for being with us from alpharetta, georgia, as a way to say thank you this holiday season, bass pro shops and cabela's club members save and cabela's club members save even more while supportingyear, conservation during club member mondays. for the first time ever. club members receive up to anpua

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>> welcome back to welcomenity." back to "hannity", the great red state blue state debate. newsontinueat ree with governorn newsom, governor ron desantis. according to the department of housing and urban development, these are thepopuli numbers for the homeless population in each of your states. in tou is a big problem around the country. in the state of californiahe stt is 172,000. in florida it is 26,000.,0 now, the per capita number00s are pretty much the same for california. it i is 44 10,000 people while florida has 12 per 10,000 people. so governor desantis, i askhe you, why the disparity? what are the policiesting t are implementing that is different from that of california? california'shat is different adt policies? 10 an newsom was governor or mayor of san francisco. he put out a ten year plan like 20 years ago.

he was going to endthen h homelessness. then a few years later, he had another plan. and now he saye had r plan as he to do and it's only gotten worse in the last ten years. thscalifornia, the homeless ha gone up 45%. it's gone down in florida, 45%. >> but it's caused a hugese problem with quality of life in in california. the people that flee always caliweup thi s. mpower they've really empowered lawlessness and drug use. and, you knoedand drugou w, gavin newsom, one point try to say that california was the freedom state. i just kind of laugh lik was thl locking people down. you do know this. but then i thought about it. you know, california does haveao freedoms that some people don't. the other states don't. you have the freedom to in public in california, you have the freedom to pitch a tent on sunset boulevard. you have the freedom to create a homeless encampment under a freeway and even light it on fire. you have t, have annd open air drug market and use drugs. thu have the freedom if you're an illegal alien to get all these taxpayer benefits. so so those are freedoms b. they're not the freedoms our founding fathers envisioned, but they have theyd to the destruction of the quality of life in california. iand the results speak for the

themselves. people are leaving the statead because they have failed in addressing the homeless population. >> well, i lov e that.wsom: i love the rant on freedom. i mean, here's a guy who's criminalizing teachers, criminalizin crdoctors, criminalizing librarians, and criminalizing women that seeg teachek their reprodue care. you're making it harder to vote. sparre banning booksair making i mean, spare me this notions ni of freedom. as the folks at disneyon of fres about freedom and free enterprise, as the folks at the special olympics that you threatened to find with 27 because they were decidedletes in the against the app, who goes after those special olympics? >> the ai cometothers to this with down syndrome. >> none of that is wrong. that's a liberal bullya libera. you that's being a bully. really. they have down syndrome. tac wanted to just mitigate against them $27 million graduating against special as they were discriminated against seriously. they wanted to marginalize the athletes and you wanted the athletes marginalized. >> that was wrong. what youathlet margithat w did.o these are kids with down's, by the way, that just wanted to compete. cog, wanted to have-das jobs, wanted their kids. i've been working with your

s all my life.rlapping you want them to be you want them there. you were ostracized. talkare not special from florida, 27 to participate.pa >> we stooted up for you. >> you treat, by the way. no, hold on. i came>> say sean: i can handle. i can handle it. i'm used to that. but you know what you want to do? your attacks on the trans community, you want to or notcon at me, that's wrong. you attack. you should learn about communities. you attack women , vulnand we made sure they can run. >> relax. you x.i can handle it. i'm used to bullying. you're nothing but a bully. you're understang but d that? >> intimidating and humiliating people. that's your calling. that is yok you want this, by te way, begins. and i can only for you. why? governot to be ablegoing if to compel. well, is this going to be. i'm not going to. gok. e tal he is so i don't know why you would want to discriminate. again, i'll remind you that the blueprin—-dt he wanted the blueprint from florida. well, let me let me put ron down and 41 points down scold donald trump as you trlety to get tough. we said, now, trump, let's

go back to the homeless. you a homelessean: let's g almom issue for decades and decades an sin making in the state: of california. ever since we started shuttering down our mental health institutions back in the day, in ronald reagan's day. the difference is i'on reganm tt governor in california history to take this head on. we are investing unprecedented resources, more accountability . we've gotten 68,000 people off the streets, closeople off to 60 encampments. we've gotten off the streets. we've also investedented unprecedented resources in reforming our behavioral rem. y systere ron has literally the worst mental health system in americaa ,forgive me, outsideutside o of mississippi and texas and so with all due respect to being lectured on some of these topics, ron, dissent is notto the one i'm going to be the 32nd response. >> >> sean: you're well, i'm lookig at total time, governor, justess about this needs it. >> this is a map of san francisco. there's a lot of plots on that.a you may be asking, what is that plotting? well, this is an app francisco.e they plot the human that are found on the streets of san t

francisco. and you see how almost the whole thing is coveredhe , because that is what has happened. and one of the previous prs this country'shuman ever had, human is now a facfet of life, except when a communist dictator comes to town, thedictatn they cleaner the streets. they lined the streets with chinese flags. they didn't pueetst american fls there. they cleaned everything up. so they're willing to do it for a communis an every tt dictator, but they're not willing to do it for their own. >> i want to get in with the limiteo d time we have left. i want to get there are two very important issues. we have not han: i wan to twd as terror attacks on octoberseen the seventh, we have seen what is nothing short of a disturbingt is n outbreak of virulent hatred, anti semitism around the world, in the halls of our congress, cl on american streets, on college campuses. last month outside in sydneyse i opera house in australia, we've seen i we havet all over europe. but in australia, anti-israeli protesters literally in this day and age chanting gas, the jews f the jew